handle on things. >> the cliff continuing to affect companies dividend strategies. we have coach, dsw this morning, and now american eagle moving dividend payable dates to this year after oracle announced it will accelerate its fiscal '13 dividend payments into this month. the payout for larry ellison will exceed 1$198 million. when you consider potential tax rates difference, that's serious money. >> real money there where you go up as high as 41%, yeah. from where we are right now, absolutely. the most tax efficient way to deal with dividends is not to have them at all. and actually run real growth companies that don't return anything to shareholders and power everything back into your business. >> a lot of companies have more cash than they need. >> i'm just saying. >> you're a purist. warren buffett wants you to hold your stock. last night on "fast" saying most individuals we deal with do not have taxable accounts. so what. he says that, listen, we're making far too much of this. jim, directly against me on this. it's very important issue that dividends will be highly taxed. that'